IARNA has reviewed and updated their Terms and Conditions, now forbidding spamware, spamvertised web sites, and spam-support services, after spending some time in SPEWS blocklist for ignoring spam complaints (S1453): http://spews.org/html/S1453.html Also new staff is handling the abuse desk. Removed from the blocklist. The evidence is below the spam-support one (search for "Changes in policy"). Although, right after it, one of their staff member (Mike Lovell, who was mis-handling their abuse desk in the past, who else?) came to NANAE trolling under the name Spinner . Tim Gurney, the current abuse desk staff, apologized for this behaviour and said that Mike had a talk with one of the directors. But Mike is obviously still their staff member, so who knows what else to expect from IARNA's network... And here is what has happened to icqmultipager.com: http://www.arb-forum.com/domains/decisions/100712.htm (mirror: http://www.DolphinWave.org/spam/ICQmultipager/100712.htm) And here is a new "toy" of that spammer/ratware peddler: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0%2C1282%2C55795%2C00.html (mirror: http://www.DolphinWave.org/spam/ICQmultipager/wired-netspam.html) http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/27634.html (mirror: http://www.DolphinWave.org/spam/ICQmultipager/register-27634.html) === Spam-support evidence === IARNA provides the spam support services to the known ICQ (and now e-mail) spammers icqmultipager.com. They refuse to terminate the spammer's account, despite on my multiple complaints. iarna.com, iarna.co.uk, iarnagroup.co.uk [212.135.143.128 - 212.135.143.255], [217.204.140.0 - 217.204.140.255]: Access denied! === ICQ spam === Date: 20-Aug-2001, 23:32:40 (GMT+0300) Message from you@hotmail.com (you@hotmail.com) through web panel: Sender IP: 64.131.181.9 Subject: you@hotmail.com Addvertise your bussines to 200,000,000 people for only $79.95 ! With this powerful software you can reach millions of people that see your message right when you sent it. __________ Sent with the Demo version of ICQ MultiPager. Download it from http://www.icqmultipager.com === My complaint === Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Admin Organization: Private person To: Abuse reports , nanas-sub@cybernothing.org, abuse@telocity.com, abuse@hotmail.com, info@iarna.com, abuse@easynet.net, abuse@mirabilis.com, abuse@linkexchange.com, abuse@20m.com Subject: [ICQ] Spam (icqmultipager.com)! Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 00:05:06 +0300 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: icqmultipager@hotmail.com, support@icqmultipager.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01082100050601.01296@dolphin.dolphinwave.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: RO X-Status: O Spam through the web panel in 20-Aug-2001, 23:32:40 (GMT+0300). Spammer: dsl-64-131-181-9.telocity.com [64.131.181.9]. Spammer's e-mail (on the web page): support@icqmultipager.com Spamvertised web page: http://www.icqmultipager.com (the web page says: "Buy ICQMultiPager today for only $79.95!") Possible redirects to: http://icq-pager.20m.com/ www.icqmultipager.com [212.135.143.148] ===================== Registrant: Lenard Iszak (ICQMULTIPAGER-COM-DOM) ZKUSAInc. 1802-102 N University Dr #245 Plantation, FL 33322 USA 386-383-2583 icqmultipager@hotmail.com Domain Name: ICQMULTIPAGER.COM Administrative Contact: iarnaplc info@iarna.com scotts sufferance wharf 1 mill street london, se1 2df UK 020 7231 7766 Fax- 020 7231 2327 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: iarnaplc info@iarna.com scotts sufferance wharf #245 london, se1 2df UK 020 7231 7766 Fax- 020 7231 2327 Record last updated on 10-Aug-2001. Record expires on 10-Aug-2003. Record created on 10-Aug-2001. Domain servers in listed order: ns0.iarnagroup.co.uk 212.135.143.150 ns1.iarnagroup.co.uk 212.135.143.250 IARNA IP block [212.135.143.128 - 212.135.143.255]. Upstream: Easynet (fa1-1.fm0.44whit.access.easynet.net). Used services of: ================ http://leader.linkexchange.com/X1596399/showiframe? http://www6.counter.bloke.com/: codebase="http://www6.counter.bloke.com/c/" align="baseline" width="75" height="20"> ======= SPAM WAS ======= Message from you@hotmail.com (you@hotmail.com) through web panel: Sender IP: 64.131.181.9 Subject: you@hotmail.com Addvertise your bussines to 200,000,000 people for only $79.95 ! With this powerful software you can reach millions of people that see your message right when you sent it. __________ Sent with the Demo version of ICQ MultiPager. Download it from http://www.icqmultipager.com === IARNA's reply === Received: from mail.iarnagroup.co.uk ([212.135.143.132]) by mail.dolphinwave.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id f7L9VMa02898 for ; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 12:31:23 +0300 Received: from neptune [217.204.240.53] by mail.iarnagroup.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A97479F00DC; Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:27:16 +0100 Message-ID: <440901c12a23$99251210$35f0ccd9@iarnagroup.co.uk> Reply-To: "IARNA plc" From: "IARNA plc" To: "Admin" References: <01082100050601.01296@dolphin.dolphinwave.org> Subject: Re: [ICQ] Spam (icqmultipager.com)! Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 10:28:12 +0100 Organization: IARNA plc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_4406_01C12A2B.FAB9B780" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Status: R X-Status: N Hi, I'm sorry but our client is the author of ICQ Multipager, not the source of the SPAM. Please track the sender IP in order to find the SPAMMER. Our client cannot be held responsible for abuse of his/her software. Thanks Mike IARNA plc scotts sufferance wharf. 1 mill street. london se1. united kingdom www.iarna.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Admin To: Abuse reports ; nanas-sub@cybernothing.org ; abuse@telocity.com ; abuse@hotmail.com ; info@iarna.com ; abuse@easynet.net ; abuse@mirabilis.com ; abuse@linkexchange.com ; abuse@20m.com Cc: icqmultipager@hotmail.com ; support@icqmultipager.com Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 10:05 PM Subject: [ICQ] Spam (icqmultipager.com)! Spam through the web panel in 20-Aug-2001, 23:32:40 (GMT+0300). === My reply === Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Admin Organization: Private person To: "IARNA plc" Subject: Re: [ICQ] Spam (icqmultipager.com)! Date: Tue, 21 Aug 2001 13:00:51 +0300 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01082100050601.01296@dolphin.dolphinwave.org> <440901c12a23$99251210$35f0ccd9@iarnagroup.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <440901c12a23$99251210$35f0ccd9@iarnagroup.co.uk> Cc: abuse-2001@dolphinwave.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01082113005102.01322@dolphin.dolphinwave.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: R X-Status: N Really? What about being responsible for spamvertising their software? The ads say "Addvertise your bussines to 200,000,000 people for only $79.95 !" which is surprisingly fits to the price on their web page, and the whole idea of their spamware. Also what about creating the spamware, which sole idea is to spam millions of ICQ users? Your client is fully responsible for it all, and I expect that abuseware will disappear from the Internet. Alexander Sheremet. On Tuesday 21 August 2001 12:28 pm, you wrote: > Hi, === This e-mail was left unanswered by IARNA === === Another icqmultipager.com spam === Date: 9 Sep 2001; 19:26:37 (GMT+0300) Message from http://icqmultipager.com (http://icqmultipager.com) through web panel: Sender IP: 212.123.104.2 Subject: http://icqmultipager.com Attention ICQ users! You have an important message waiting for you on our web site ! === My another complaint === Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Admin Organization: Private person To: Abuse reports , nanas-sub@cybernothing.org, grosse@ip-exchange.de, abuse@hotmail.com, info@iarna.com, postmaster@icq.com, abuse@easynet.net, abuse@linkexchange.com Subject: [ICQ] Spam (icqmultipager.com again)! Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:09:12 +0300 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: abuse@icqmultipager.com, icqmultipager@hotmail.com, support@icqmultipager.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01090920091201.01628@dolphin.dolphinwave.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: R X-Status: N Spam through the web panel, advertising the icqmultipager.com and obviously using it to spam! Previous spam from them was sent in 20-Aug-2001, 23:32:40 (GMT+0300). Complaint archived on Usenet - news.admin.net-abuse.sightings: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=01082100050601.01296%40dolphin.dolphinwave.org&output=gplain Please, terminate spammer's accounts as soon as possible! Thanks! ======= Spammer: 212.123.104.2 IP-PARTNER IP block [212.123.96.0 - 212.123.107.255]. Date: 9 Sep 2001; 19:26:37 (GMT+0300) Spamvertised web page: http://icqmultipager.com/ Used services of: http://leader.linkexchange.com/X1596399/clickle icqmultipager.com [212.135.143.148] ================= Registrant: Lenard Iszak (ICQMULTIPAGER-COM-DOM) ZKUSAInc. 1802-102 N University Dr #245 Plantation, FL 33322 USA 386-383-2583 icqmultipager@hotmail.com Domain Name: ICQMULTIPAGER.COM Administrative Contact: iarnaplc info@iarna.com scotts sufferance wharf 1 mill street london, se1 2df UK 020 7231 7766 Fax- 020 7231 2327 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: iarnaplc info@iarna.com scotts sufferance wharf #245 london, se1 2df UK 020 7231 7766 Fax- 020 7231 2327 Record last updated on 08-Sep-2001. Record expires on 10-Aug-2003. Record created on 10-Aug-2001. Domain servers in listed order: ns0.iarnagroup.co.uk 212.135.143.150 ns1.iarnagroup.co.uk 212.135.143.250 IARNA IP block [212.135.143.128 - 212.135.143.255]. Upstream: EASYNET.NET (fa1-1.fm0.44whit.access.easynet.net). ======= ICQ SPAM WAS (using the web panel - no headers) ======= Message from http://icqmultipager.com (http://icqmultipager.com) through web panel: Sender IP: 212.123.104.2 Subject: http://icqmultipager.com Attention ICQ users! You have an important message waiting for you on our web site ! === More spam follows daily, complained to IARNA, no reply from them === === Finally, another reply from IARNA === Received: from mail.iarnagroup.co.uk ([212.135.143.132]) by mail.dolphinwave.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8ODNph04635 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:23:56 +0200 Received: from neptune [217.204.240.53] by mail.iarnagroup.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A28215900A4; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:17:54 +0100 Message-ID: <0e3f01c144fb$c71ea940$35f0ccd9@iarnagroup.co.uk> Reply-To: "IARNA plc" From: "IARNA plc" To: "Admin" References: <01092414562001.01325@dolphin.dolphinwave.org> Subject: Re: [ICQ] Spam, using icqmultipager.com spamware! Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:21:08 +0100 Organization: IARNA plc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0E3A_01C14504.2754D020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Status: R X-Status: N Hi, We've received your email, this is being reviewed. We do not need to be informed of these repetitions - We are aware of this issue and the magnitude of the issue. Please ensure that you contact the ISP which relates to the senders IP. Thanks Mike IARNA plc scotts sufferance wharf. 1 mill street. london se1. united kingdom www.iarna.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- From: Admin To: Abuse reports ; nanas-sub@cybernothing.org ; abuse@mirabilis.com ; postmaster@icq.com ; abuse@easynet.net ; abuse@rcn.com ; abuse@freedom2surf.net ; abuse@home.net ; abuse@home.com ; abuse@webpower.com Cc: info@iarna.com Sent: Monday, September 24, 2001 1:56 PM Subject: [ICQ] Spam, using icqmultipager.com spamware! ICQ spam using the ICQ spam-flooder icqmultipager.com! Please, terminate spammer's accounts as soon as possible! Dear Abuse Central, please nuke this abuser from the orbit! Thanks! ======= Spammer: dnai-216-15-34-70.cust.dnai.com [216.15.34.70] Date: 24 Sep 2001; 13:41:54 (GMT+0200) Spamvertised web page: http://www.myvb.f2s.com/sex.php Redirect to: http://members.home.net/adultcam/ Which redirects to: http://clickcash.webpower.com/SetPermanentSignupCookie.cgi?svc=IF?=ENGLISH&type=BOUNTY&mode=1& art=TEXTLINKMAINPAGE&acct=kolobok1&url=https://orders.webpower.com/iFriends/viewprefmain.htm www.icqmultipager.com [212.135.143.148] ===================== Registrant: Lenard Iszak (ICQMULTIPAGER-COM-DOM) ZKUSAInc. 1802-102 N University Dr #245 Plantation, FL 33322 USA 386-383-2583 icqmultipager@hotmail.com Domain Name: ICQMULTIPAGER.COM Administrative Contact: iarnaplc info@iarna.com scotts sufferance wharf 1 mill street london, se1 2df UK 020 7231 7766 Fax- 020 7231 2327 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: iarnaplc info@iarna.com scotts sufferance wharf #245 london, se1 2df UK 020 7231 7766 Fax- 020 7231 2327 Record last updated on 08-Sep-2001. Record expires on 10-Aug-2003. Record created on 10-Aug-2001. Domain servers in listed order: ns0.iarnagroup.co.uk 212.135.143.150 ns1.iarnagroup.co.uk 212.135.143.250 IARNA IP block [212.135.143.128 - 212.135.143.255]. Upstream: Easynet (fa1-1.fm0.44whit.access.easynet.net). ======= ICQ SPAM WAS (web panel - no headers) ======= Date: 24 Sep 2001; 13:41:54 (GMT+0200) Message from Nadia (sex4free) through web panel: Sender IP: 216.15.34.70 Subject: 100% Free Video Chats Watch me and my friends experimenting... Everything is free live and we do stuff on request so don't delay come visit me and my friends now http://www.myvb.f2s.com/sex.php === My reply === Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Admin Organization: Private person To: "IARNA plc" Subject: Re: [ICQ] Spam, using icqmultipager.com spamware! Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:42:18 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01092414562001.01325@dolphin.dolphinwave.org> <0e3f01c144fb$c71ea940$35f0ccd9@iarnagroup.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0e3f01c144fb$c71ea940$35f0ccd9@iarnagroup.co.uk> Cc: abuse-2001@dolphinwave.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01092415421802.01325@dolphin.dolphinwave.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: R X-Status: N On Monday 24 September 2001 03:21 pm, you wrote: > Hi, > > We've received your email, this is being reviewed. We do not need to be > informed of these repetitions There are no repetitions. One spam - one complaint. > - We are aware of this issue and the magnitude of the issue. Then why you still provide the connectivity to these spammers, more than a month after the first complaint on them spamming ICQ? There is no other use for such a spam flooder as icqmultipager.com, than to abuse the 'net. > Please ensure that you contact the ISP which relates to the senders IP. That I do, as well, as following web pages, e-mail drop boxes, etc. Regards, Alexander Sheremet. === Their reply === Received: from mail.iarnagroup.co.uk ([212.135.143.132]) by mail.dolphinwave.org (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id f8ODveh04670 for ; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 15:57:40 +0200 Received: from neptune [217.204.240.53] by mail.iarnagroup.co.uk with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id AA91A800CE; Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:52:17 +0100 Message-ID: <0e6401c14500$94a2ac50$35f0ccd9@iarnagroup.co.uk> Reply-To: "IARNA plc" From: "IARNA plc" To: "Admin" Cc: References: <01092414562001.01325@dolphin.dolphinwave.org> <0e3f01c144fb$c71ea940$35f0ccd9@iarnagroup.co.uk> <01092415421802.01325@dolphin.dolphinwave.org> Subject: Re: [ICQ] Spam, using icqmultipager.com spamware! Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 14:55:32 +0100 Organization: IARNA plc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0E61_01C14508.F5AD1320" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Status: R X-Status: N Hi Alexander, I can understand that your angry about receiving this messages but as we're not the source of these messages there is not a lot we can do to stop this. icqmulitipager.com is hosted by us but our client is the author of the software and the terms and conditions for usage of his software explicitly state that the software should not be used for SPAM. Our client has not made any violations. Even if the client did violated our terms and conditions and we closed the account he would simply move the another service provider and continue marketing his software. Sending us these SPAM messages to us will not stop them arriving, not matter what action we take. Thanks Mike IARNA plc scotts sufferance wharf. 1 mill street. london se1. united kingdom www.iarna.co.uk ----- Original Message ----- === My reply === Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Admin Organization: Private person To: "IARNA plc" Subject: Re: [ICQ] Spam, using icqmultipager.com spamware! Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2001 16:41:54 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] References: <01092414562001.01325@dolphin.dolphinwave.org> <01092415421802.01325@dolphin.dolphinwave.org> <0e6401c14500$94a2ac50$35f0ccd9@iarnagroup.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <0e6401c14500$94a2ac50$35f0ccd9@iarnagroup.co.uk> Cc: abuse-2001@dolphinwave.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01092416415403.01325@dolphin.dolphinwave.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: R X-Status: N On Monday 24 September 2001 03:55 pm, you wrote: > Hi Alexander, > > I can understand that your angry about receiving this messages but as we're > not the source of these messages there is not a lot we can do to stop this. You can stop the spam by taking the spamware peddler off the Internet. Then other spammers wouldn't buy that spamware and wouldn't use it. > icqmulitipager.com is hosted by us but our client is the author of the > software and the terms and conditions for usage of his software explicitly > state that the software should not be used for SPAM. Ohh, really? Please, tell me ANY other way that software may be used, if not to spam. If I was selling heroin on the street, and put the "do not use without a medical approval" label on the boxes, would it make me a legal drugs seller? > Our client has not made any violations. What about spamvertising their web page? I will remind you these spams: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=01082100050601.01296%40dolphin.dolphinwave.org http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=01090920091201.01628%40dolphin.dolphinwave.org Or being a spam heaven is ok with your Terms of Conditions, as long as spammers don't use your own network to send spam? > Even if the client did violated our terms and conditions and we closed the > account he would simply move the another service provider and continue > marketing his software. Two things would happen then: a) you will get rid of the 'net-abuser, and a flow of complaints s/h/it brings to you; b) another service provider will pull the plug on the abuser, especially being informed about the previous spam-activity. There are not that many spam-friendly providers around. Ones that do harbor spammers, find themselves being blocked by the rest of the 'net, in private block-lists, or/and by the shared ones, like http://www.mail-abuse.org/ More and more spam-friendly providers get rid of their spammers under the pressure of their own legitimate customers, whose e-mails suddenly begin to bounce. Even such a major spamhaus, as Media3, settled with MAPS recently, and begun to kick their spammers / spamware sellers. > Sending us these SPAM messages to us will not stop them arriving, not > matter what action we take. Pulling the spamware seller off the net will stop that spamware being used by other abusers, and will sure stop them arriving. But if you demand me to stop e-mailing you, I will comply - I'm not an abuser and I follow the netiquette. But I will go right to your upstream, Easynet, whose Terms of Service, particularly, say: You may not use World Wide Web pages within or outside our domain to violate any part of the AUP, or to attempt to disrupt the pages or Internet experiences of other users. icqmultipager.com is designed especially to disrupt the Internet experiences of other users, which is in violation of your upstream's ToS. Regards, Alexander Sheremet. === And yet another ICQ spam for icqmultipager.com === Date: 25 Sep 2001; 20:43:42 (GMT+0200) Message from Blondy (blondy@hotmail.com) through web panel: Sender IP: 200.72.4.163 Subject: http://icqmultipager.com Attention ICQ users ! NEWS , NEWS , NEWS === My complaint === Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Admin Organization: Private person To: Abuse reports , nanas-sub@cybernothing.org, abuse@mirabilis.com, postmaster@icq.com, abuse@easynet.net, domreg@easynet.net, postmaster@entelchile.net, rurbina@ENTEL.CL, abuse@hotmail.com Subject: [ICQ] 5th icqmultipager.com spam for their own web page! Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2001 21:08:39 +0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.2] Cc: info@iarna.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <01092521083901.01513@dolphin.dolphinwave.org> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Status: R X-Status: N This is yet another icqmultipager.com spam for their own web page, that sells the ICQ spam-flooder! Please, terminate spammer's accounts now! Thanks! ======= ATTN: IARNA! You still claim that your spammers are not breaking your Terms of Service?! ATTN: Easynet! Your downstream, IARNA, for more than a month since my first complaint, provides the Internet connectivity to spammers and spamware sellers icqmultipager! Their software is especially designed to flood ICQ users with web panel messages, yet IARNA claims that they don't violate the Terms of Service, as long as they don't spam from their own network. Please, urge your downstream to enforce the Terms of Service and shut those abusers down! Spammer: netcache2.entelchile.net [200.72.4.163] Date: 25 Sep 2001; 20:43:42 (GMT+0200) Spammer's e-mail (or forgery): blondy@hotmail.com Spamvertised web page: http://icqmultipager.com [212.135.143.148] Registrant: Lenard Iszak (ICQMULTIPAGER-COM-DOM) ZKUSAInc. 1802-102 N University Dr #245 Plantation, FL 33322 USA 386-383-2583 icqmultipager@hotmail.com Domain Name: ICQMULTIPAGER.COM Administrative Contact: iarnaplc info@iarna.com scotts sufferance wharf 1 mill street london, se1 2df UK 020 7231 7766 Fax- 020 7231 2327 Technical Contact, Zone Contact: iarnaplc info@iarna.com scotts sufferance wharf #245 london, se1 2df UK 020 7231 7766 Fax- 020 7231 2327 Record last updated on 08-Sep-2001. Record expires on 10-Aug-2003. Record created on 10-Aug-2001. Domain servers in listed order: ns0.iarnagroup.co.uk 212.135.143.150 ns1.iarnagroup.co.uk 212.135.143.250 IARNA IP block [212.135.143.128 - 212.135.143.255]. Upstream: Easynet (fa1-1.fm0.44whit.access.easynet.net). ======= ICQ SPAM WAS (web panel - no headers) ======= Date: 25 Sep 2001; 20:43:42 (GMT+0200) Message from Blondy (blondy@hotmail.com) through web panel: Sender IP: 200.72.4.163 Subject: http://icqmultipager.com Attention ICQ users ! NEWS , NEWS , NEWS ======= PREVIOUS SPAMS WERE ======= Date: 20-Aug-2001, 23:32:40 (GMT+0300) Message from you@hotmail.com (you@hotmail.com) through web panel: Sender IP: 64.131.181.9 Subject: you@hotmail.com Addvertise your bussines to 200,000,000 people for only $79.95 ! With this powerful software you can reach millions of people that see your message right when you sent it. __________ Sent with the Demo version of ICQ MultiPager. Download it from http://www.icqmultipager.com Date: 9 Sep 2001; 19:26:37 (GMT+0300) Message from http://icqmultipager.com (http://icqmultipager.com) through web panel: Sender IP: 212.123.104.2 Subject: http://icqmultipager.com Attention ICQ users! You have an important message waiting for you on our web site ! Date: 15 Sep 2001; 04:01:43 (GMT+0300) Message from Glenn (Glenn53@hotmail.com) through web panel: Sender IP: 65.34.34.33 Subject: Sent with the Trial version of ICQ MultiPager. Download it from http://www.icqmultipager.com hi Date: 16 Sep 2001; 21:46:39 (GMT+0300) Message from kft (kft45874@hotmail.com) through web panel: Sender IP: 129.74.38.145 Subject: http://www.icqmultipager.com/ Attention Internet users! Discount Price ! Only Today! === From this point I don't receive ICQ spam web pagers === === Other people report receiving e-mail spam from them === Return-Path: Received: from icqmultipager.com (suneast-65-34-34-33.pompano.net [65.34.34.33]) by spf4.us4.outblaze.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) with SMTP id f994MRS15116 for ; Tue, 9 Oct 2001 04:22:27 GMT Message-Id: <200110090422.f994MRS15116@spf4.us4.outblaze.com> From: "icqmultipager.com" To: snip @hilarious.com Subject: icqmultipager.com NEWS: New version 3.0 released on 10/04/01 Sender: "icqmultipager.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 00:24:04 -0700 X-UIDL: 13f92b313db207d57de5b775fa2f89de icqmultipager.com Today's Exciting Offer: You have received this email because you or someone using your email address agreed to receive special offers from http://www.icqmultipager.com Please do not reply to this message as it was sent from an unattended mailbox. 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Sincerely, The IC Quick MultiPager Team http://www.icqmultipager.com === Also other people report the listwashing attempts for their spammers === Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed.mathworks.com!panix!panix2.panix.com!not-for-mail From: kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email Subject: Re: SPEWS: Remove our network block please. Date: 23 May 2002 14:14:54 -0400 Organization: Former users of Netcom shell (1989-2000) Lines: 14 Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: panix2.panix.com X-Trace: reader1.panix.com 1022177514 14705 166.84.1.2 (23 May 2002 18:11:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@panix.com NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:11:54 +0000 (UTC) Xref: uni-berlin.de news.admin.net-abuse.email:1686774 On Thu, 23 May 2002 16:45 +0100 (BST) Keif Gwinn wrote: > > We've had our networks blocked due to the actions of some of our > customers. We did not recieve any notification to this before our network > was blocked which doesn't help when it comes to working with people > against the spammers. You mean, like when I called your company on the phone and you offered to give my address to the customer for listwashing? That kind of notification? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." === Changes in policy and the abuse desk staff, 1st post === Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!fr.usenet-edu.net!usenet-edu.net!teaser.fr!easynet-quince!easynet.net!easynet-post2!monolith.news.easynet.net!not-for-mail From: "Tim Gurney" Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email References: <5c7a2454.0205240234.f76d12b@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: SPEWS: Remove our network block please. Lines: 50 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: <59rH8.4189$Ll6.712346@monolith.news.easynet.net> Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:24:57 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.204.240.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net X-Trace: monolith.news.easynet.net 1022246593 217.204.240.61 (Fri, 24 May 2002 14:23:13 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:23:13 BST Organization: [posted via Easynet] Xref: uni-berlin.de news.admin.net-abuse.email:1689845 > > And you want SPEWS to delist you in advance?.. > nope, the new t&C are in place and thus we would like to be delisted due to these changes. > It's good to hear that you are altering your current Terms and Conditions > to give you more powers to kick your spammers. Hopefully, you will think > and reconsider your company's previous position on spamware and spam-support > services, and it will be added to your T&C and enforced by your abuse desk. > UCE (Unsolicited Commerce Email) - SPAM Spamming, the sending of unsolicited mass email from or through an IARNA server or using an email address that is maintained on an IARNA machine is STRICTLY prohibited. IARNA will be the sole arbiter as to what constitutes a violation of this provision. Customers are also in violation of this provision if they engage in spamming using the service of another ISP or IPP, but reference in the spam a website hosted on an IARNA server, or if they sell or distribute software on their website that facilitates spamming. Violators will be assessed a minimum fine of £250.00 and will face immediate suspension. Please report any instances of spamming to abuse@iarna.com detailing as much information as possible, clearly identifying the source of the unsolicited email. This will then be investigated, dealt with and replied to within 24 hours. We have created an abuse department, headed by Keif and Myself fully supported by the MD and we will now operate ZERO tolerance to spammers, spamware people and anything else on this nature. > Dolphin. > > -- > URL: http://www.DolphinWave.org > Mail: on the web page (no spam) > ICQ: 6615461 > === 2nd post === Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!newsfeed01.sul.t-online.de!t-online.de!newspeer1-gui.server.ntli.net!ntli.net!easynet-monga!mango.news.easynet.net!easynet.net!easynet-post2!monolith.news.easynet.net!not-for-mail From: "Tim Gurney" Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email References: <5c7a2454.0205240234.f76d12b@posting.google.com> Subject: Re: SPEWS: Remove our network block please. Lines: 62 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:38:09 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.204.240.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net X-Trace: monolith.news.easynet.net 1022247386 217.204.240.61 (Fri, 24 May 2002 14:36:26 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 14:36:26 BST Organization: [posted via Easynet] Xref: uni-berlin.de news.admin.net-abuse.email:1689852 Below is the email we jsut sent to ALL customers notifying the new T&C's for Iarna. This means not only we will get abuse@iarna.com, but we also get all the abuse mails sent to customers, as the customers are the people who might spam they are unlikly to reply to an abuse email. this way we get it to and can shut down the customer. Hopefully this demostrates a little more clearly the new direction keif and I are taking things in order to resolve these problems. Tim Gurney Dear Customer, As you are probably aware SPAM (unsolicited email) is a big problem for almost everybody who relies on the internet and email for communication. It is an unfortunate truth that scripting technologies make it very easy to quickly generate and send a large quantity of email. There are organisations actively combating the sending of such mail and an informal set of rules and procedures that companies such as ourselves need to follow to help make life more difficult for spammers. We are aware that a small minority of our customers have been using the services that we provide them with to send such bulk, unsolicited email messages and although we have taken a number of steps to monitor this and close down the accounts of spammers we feel that we have to take further steps to limit this activity. We will be modifying the abuse@ email address of your domain so that any emails that are sent to abuse@yourdomain.com will also be received by our email systems administrators. This will be done today. For the majority of you this will not effect the service you receive from us in any way. It just means that if your domain name is implicated in a spamming incident we will be notified if anyone sends email to the abuse@ address. Any attempt by a client to modify this setting will be treated as a breach of our terms and conditions (http://www.iarna.com/docs/terms.asp) and we reserve the right to terminate all services to that client and bill them for any time spent dealing with this. As I've already stated this is a measure taken to limit the opportunities for a small minority of our customers to generate unsolicited email. It is essential that we take such steps to maintain the level of service that we want to provide to our customers. If you are a reseller for Iarna please pass this information on to your customers. Our resellers are responsible to us for the actions of their clients and should try to be vigilant in this area. Chris Bailey IARNA, a Hostway Company Scott's sufferance wharf 1 mill street. London. SE1 united kingdom t/ +44 207 231 7766 f/ +44 207 231 2327 www.iarna.com === Trolling by Mike Lovell (a few examples, more - on the Google's archive === === http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&as_uauthors=spinner@hotmail.com === From: "Spinner" Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email Subject: Mindless Newsgroup following Lines: 10 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:17:52 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.204.240.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net X-Trace: monolith.news.easynet.net 1022249872 217.204.240.61 (Fri, 24 May 2002 15:17:52 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:17:52 BST Organization: [posted via Easynet] All you find in this newsgroup is victims of an awful spews system trying to get removed (when they're not at fault), and the only response they get is 'stop being spam friendly'. It would be nice to see some constructive arguments here rather than the brainless right-wing anti-spam guys taking out there rage on people and playing god... Everyone hates spam but debate is a much more powerful tool here... - Spinner From: "Spinner" Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email References: Subject: Thanks guys... Lines: 13 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <6%uH8.4522$Ll6.786238@monolith.news.easynet.net> Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 18:45:35 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.204.240.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net X-Trace: monolith.news.easynet.net 1022262338 217.204.240.61 (Fri, 24 May 2002 18:45:38 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 18:45:38 BST Organization: [posted via Easynet] Very interesting discusion, i'm afraid I had a hidden agenda though... Someone bet me I couldn't create a huge thread in this newsgroup... See you all later, I'm off the spend my 50 quid... SPEWS is probably good for you guys, I don't mind either way... Subject seems to invoke some passion though... Bye-e - Spinner From: "Spinner" Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email References: Subject: Re: Did the bulk barf get shut down again? Was: Mindless spammer drivel Lines: 16 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:37:26 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.204.240.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net X-Trace: monolith.news.easynet.net 1022254646 217.204.240.61 (Fri, 24 May 2002 16:37:26 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 16:37:26 BST Organization: [posted via Easynet] Now you've gone and upset me :o) wrote in message news:ndnseuk114p8delqlgntuigkgqq35m7puc@4ax.com... > On Fri, 24 May 2002 15:36:08 +0100, "Spinner" > coughed up this hairball: > > >Afraid you've lost me there :o) > > > > *I* lose you here, you top-posting troll. > > *PLONK* > From: "Spinner" Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email References: <3CEE1F9B.21976501@dog.rip.edu> Subject: Re: SPEWS Listing 216.242.16.196 Lines: 77 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <6vsH8.4446$Ll6.735648@monolith.news.easynet.net> Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:54:55 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.204.240.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net X-Trace: monolith.news.easynet.net 1022252098 217.204.240.61 (Fri, 24 May 2002 15:54:58 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:54:58 BST Organization: [posted via Easynet] So you're saying that Spews are 100% correct all the time and there's no chance that they have made a mistake.... If this isn't the case then it's in fact spews fault. "Larry" wrote in message news:mnsH8.1131$_T7.48864490@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com... > > "Bud Schneehagen" wrote in message > news:admin-2405020833490001@192.168.0.1... > > In article <3CEE1F9B.21976501@dog.rip.edu>, Jeremy Winston > > wrote: > > > > > Bud Schneehagen wrote: > > > > > > > > Howdy. Just found out I'm listed in SPEWS while, of all things, > > > > investigating some SPAM databases to perhaps use to block SPAM for my > > > > hosting clients. My mail server 216.242.16.196 > > > > 216.242.0.0/19 > > > > I'm currently co-locating with Ciberlynx > > > > [...] > > > > I would kindly asked that you somehow remove that small block of IP > > Addresses. > > > > Jeremy wrote: > > > Your options are > > > > > > 1. Pressure Ciberlynx to stop its spammers. > > > Looks like you've made a few forays in this direction. > > > Given their track record, this tack is unlikely to succeed. > > > > > > 2. Vote with your wallet: change ISPs. This shouldn't be a problem > > > (other than the inconvenience of making the transition). > > > Ciberstinx has already violated the terms of your contract by > > > failing to give you full Internet connectivity, so you have > > > nothing to fear from them. (Unless you paid for the 3 years up > > > front.) > > > > > > 3. Do nothing, and lose email connectivity with a large portion > > > of the 'Net. > > > > > > > > > Seems to me #2 is your best option. > > > -Jeremy(IANS) > > > > Pardon me, but that's bull crap. It would take SPEWS 5 minutes to list > > around my IP block. I'm under contract and it will cost me legal fees > > (which I don't have) to get out of it, "IF" I win. As far as Florida goes, > > there are no anti-spam laws so a judge down here isn't going to give a > > crap about me since Ciberlynx isn't breaking any laws. There is nothing in > > my contract with them that THEY can't SPAM. Ciberlynx "IS" providing me > > full internet connectivity (as far as the law is concerned), it's SPEWS > > that is blocking my internet connectivity illegally, as I'm not a spammer > > and never have been. > > > > So basically, even though I'm totally anti-spam and no spam originates > > from my servers or my clients, I have no recourse? So why bother fighting > > it? Since I'm listed in SPEWS for absolutely no reason, and am getting > > complaints from my clients that their e-mail is being blocked and will > > soon start losing good and decent clients, I'll have no other recourse > > than to start bringing in spammers as clients, or go broke. By SPEWS not > > taking 5 minutes to do the "RIGHT" thing, they're contributing to the > > problem. > > YOUR PROBLEM is not Spews, but Ciberlynx, how can they be providing you with > full connectivity if THEY have got you blocked by being spam supporters? > > Larry > > === Apology from Keif Gwinn, Iarna Abuse Team === Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email From: Keif_Gwinn@iarna.com (Keif Gwinn) Reply-To: Keif_Gwinn@iarna.com Subject: Re: TIM GURNEY OF IARNA.COM IS A TROLL - (Was: Re: SPEWS: Remove our Message-ID: References: Lines: 43 Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 20:51 +0100 (BST) NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.204.240.56 X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net X-Trace: monolith.news.easynet.net 1022269936 217.204.240.56 (Fri, 24 May 2002 20:52:16 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 20:52:16 BST Organization: [posted via Easynet] > > Firstly, lets try and be a little more professional shall we. Swearing > > and being abusive is not constructive. Secondly, not all of use have > > the time to sit and read news groups all day, some of us work for a > > living. > > > > BUSTED! > > I don't consider being a troll professional do you? Spending those quid > well? > > > Lets look at the IP addresses shall we? > > On this post: > NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.204.240.61 > > > On "Spinners" posts > NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.204.240.61 The office here runs on NAT translation... it was not Tim, nor a member of the abuse team who started the 'spinner' thread. We've taken serious disciplinary action against the member of staff involved in that. It was unprofessional of them, and it won't be repeated. They seemed to think it was funny that we were trying to sort out the mess that had been caused, and wanted to start some trouble for themselves. Apologies for the inconvenience caused. Keif Gwinn (replace the underscore with a dot to email me) Abuse Team IARNA, a Hostway Company scotts sufferance wharf 1 mill street. london. se1 united kingdom t/ +44 207 231 7766 f/ +44 207 231 2327 www.iarna.co.uk === But posts from Mike Lovell continue === From: "Mike Lovell" <_remove_mike.lovell.news@iarna.co.uk> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email References: Subject: Re: Did the bulk barf get shut down again? Was: Mindlessspammerdrivel Lines: 40 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 09:42:55 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.207.252.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net X-Trace: monolith.news.easynet.net 1022316173 217.207.252.231 (Sat, 25 May 2002 09:42:53 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 09:42:53 BST Organization: [posted via Easynet] "chester" wrote in message news:B91439F4.2FDD3%chester@chickenboner.com... > in article D2yH8.5050$Ll6.846194@monolith.news.easynet.net, Spinner at > spinner@hotmail.com wrote on 5/24/02 4:20 PM: > > > Not quite :o) ... It doesn't take a detective to read an IP though, nor one > > to work out about NAT... > > > > but it takes a real dipshit to fuck up any goodwill that a company has tried > to make with those that run the various blocking lists that have one's > network blocked. > FYI - I am not a member of any abuse department, views expressed here are my own and not that of any company's. > > It doesn't take a detective either to control ones customers and having a > "WORKING" abuse email box. Who is listed in SPEWS and who is not? Hmm? > > Troll boy, we busted you. Like all trolls that get busted, you say "I did > not try to hide" if you did not try to hide then why did you not post with a > iarna.com addy? If you have the balls to be a troll then have the balls to > post with a real address. > I'm not a troll, I'm trying to discuss an issue independant of any organisation. > > /me blows kisses to the little troll. > Thanks From: "Mike Lovell" <_remove_mike.lovell.news@iarna.co.uk> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email References: Subject: Re: Did the bulk barf get shut down again? Was:Mindlessspammerdrivel Lines: 49 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 23:18:46 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.207.252.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net X-Trace: monolith.news.easynet.net 1022365126 217.207.252.231 (Sat, 25 May 2002 23:18:46 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 23:18:46 BST Organization: [posted via Easynet] > >I have been busted for nothing, I am responding on my own behalf not > >for any company. Please try to understand this. > > Mike, you'd better rub some more clue juice on yourself; the last > batch is wearing off. Now here's the deal: > > 1. You posted in here about how your employer was 'unfailry' listed in > SPEWS. You represented your employer in this forum. This is a cold, > hard fact, and is easily proven. I never made a post saying this. > > 2. You trolled FROM THE VERY SAME IP about how a) SPEWS is unfair; b) > how posters in here are mindless right-wingers (or was that > anit-commerce radical left-wingers? With all the wingnuts in here, > it's hard to keep track of the drivelling). Doing this seriously > damaged your and your employer's credibility. The latter is much more > serious. As I said before, I'm fully aware what IP I am posting from. This however is not an issue as I am posting on behalf of myself and not representing any company. > > 3. You got caught trolling and outed as the fool that you are. Your > employer took a huge hit to their credibility. Keif posted that you > had been disciplined. This may have ended the matter, except that you > trolled some more, AFTER Keif said that you'd been disciplined. Oops! > > 4. You are now frantically backpeadling in a futile attempt to > distance your employer from your frothing. This isn't working. > > Let's face it. You first came in here wearing your employer's official > face, and then you blew it big time. Your actions reflect poorly on > your employer. So poorly, that if I were you, I'd be updating my > resume and seriously thinking about a radical career path change. > Nothing you say will change these facts. In fact, everything else you > say will merely make the situation worse. I've never made any posting claiming I was representing any company and now that this has been alleged I have cleared this issue up for everyone. > > So here's your free clue Mike: When you find yourself mouth deep in > sewage, don't stir it up further. From: "Mike Lovell" <_remove_mike.lovell.news@iarna.co.uk> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email References: Subject: Re: Did the bulk barf get shut down again?Was:Mindlessspammerdrivel Lines: 23 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: <6tUH8.5843$Ll6.1183114@monolith.news.easynet.net> Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 23:44:18 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.207.252.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net X-Trace: monolith.news.easynet.net 1022366658 217.207.252.231 (Sat, 25 May 2002 23:44:18 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 25 May 2002 23:44:18 BST Organization: [posted via Easynet] > > I've never made any posting claiming I was representing any company > > and now that this has been alleged I have cleared this issue up for > > everyone. > > > > Then why did Keif say: > Message-Id: > > The office here runs on NAT translation... it was not Tim, nor a member of > the abuse team who started the 'spinner' thread. We've taken serious > disciplinary action against the member of staff involved in that. It was > unprofessional of them, and it won't be repeated. They seemed to think it > was funny that we were trying to sort out the mess that had been caused, > and wanted to start some trouble for themselves. > > When you really answer this question we just might get at the root of this > problem. Like I said, 'I' have never made any posting claiming I represent the company. I do not represent any company. From: "Mike Lovell" <_remove_mike.lovell.news@iarna.co.uk> Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email References: <33u1fuochhvrq8ptv0482knih27kh52qu1@4ax.com> Subject: Re: Did the bulk barf get shut down again? Was:Mindlessspammerdrivel Lines: 19 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.0000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 17:29:13 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.207.252.231 X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net X-Trace: monolith.news.easynet.net 1022430552 217.207.252.231 (Sun, 26 May 2002 17:29:12 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 26 May 2002 17:29:12 BST Organization: [posted via Easynet] > >I've never made any posting claiming I was representing any company > >and now that this has been alleged I have cleared this issue up for > >everyone. > > Does it hurt to be so stupid Mike? Were you born this clueless, or did > you have to work at it? > > Every posting you have made from your company's IP makes them > 'official' postings from your company. You can't escape that fact; no > amount of wishing will change it. I afraid this isn't the case. My posting are made on my own behalf. > As you leave, ponder the following statement: "It is better to stay > silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all > doubt." Think hard about this. === Note to IARNA about it === Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!nf3.bellglobal.com!sunqbc.risq.qc.ca!newsfeed.tUser-Agent: Microsoft-Outlook-Express-Macintosh-Edition/5.0.4 Subject: Paging Keif Gwinn: (was:Re: TIM GURNEY OF IARNA.COM IS A TROLL) From: chester Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email Message-ID: References: >>> Firstly, lets try and be a little more professional shall we. Swearing >>> and being abusive is not constructive. Secondly, not all of use have >>> the time to sit and read news groups all day, some of us work for a >>> living. >>> >> >> BUSTED! >> >> I don't consider being a troll professional do you? Spending those quid >> well? >> >> >> Lets look at the IP addresses shall we? >> >> On this post: >> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.204.240.61 >> >> >> On "Spinners" posts >> NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.204.240.61 > > The office here runs on NAT translation... it was not Tim, nor a member of > the abuse team who started the 'spinner' thread. We've taken serious > disciplinary action against the member of staff involved in that. It was > unprofessional of them, and it won't be repeated. They seemed to think it > was funny that we were trying to sort out the mess that had been caused, > and wanted to start some trouble for themselves. > > Apologies for the inconvenience caused. Since your trolling fellow employee/boss has continued to post it seems that the serious disciplinary action does not seem to have been all that serious. Did you even take any action at all? Or is this a pattern of lying we need to watch for from your company? It seems that mike has no balls to tell his function within your company, maybe you can fill us in on who he is. It seems between this post of yours and his continuing denial of being a representative of IARNA, your company is working itself into many private blocking list. If you think the SPEWW list was hard to get out of, for the most part, you don't get out of private blocks at all. === Apology from Tim Gurney, Iarna Abuse Team === Path: uni-berlin.de!fu-berlin.de!news.shlink.de!mango.news.easynet.net!easynet.net!easynet-post2!monolith.news.easynet.net!not-for-mail From: "Tim Gurney" Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email Subject: Iarna + Trolling Lines: 21 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:46:35 +0100 NNTP-Posting-Host: 217.204.240.61 X-Complaints-To: abuse@easynet.net X-Trace: monolith.news.easynet.net 1022496292 217.204.240.61 (Mon, 27 May 2002 11:44:52 BST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 11:44:52 BST Organization: [posted via Easynet] Xref: uni-berlin.de news.admin.net-abuse.email:1698122 Ok, To clarify the situation regarding the trolling on saturday from the Iarna ip range. The person responsible was an employee called Mike Lovell. He USED to handle the abuse emails until Keif and I took over. It appears he had a little to much free time on his hands on saturday. At Iarna we use NAT for the internal office network, so all posts come from the SAME ip. This person has been talked to by one of the directors and pointed out this NOT acceptable. Please accept my apoligies for this pointless, childish and stupid trolling by one of our members of staff, and be aware if any such thing happens again SERIOUS action will be taken. Tim Gurney Iarna Abuse Team. === My reply === Path: uni-berlin.de!212.199.62.43!not-for-mail From: Dolphin Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email Subject: Re: Iarna + Trolling Date: 27 May 2002 11:24:41 GMT Organization: Private person Lines: 36 Sender: Alexander Sheremet Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: 212.199.62.43 X-Trace: fu-berlin.de 1022498681 29861990 212.199.62.43 (16 [104765]) X-newsgroup: news.admin.net-abuse.email X-PGP-key: 0xAAE2A579 X-PGP-key-fingerprint: 5B8E 3B28 7199 8CD3 4133 FA87 000B 0FB6 AAE2 A579 User-Agent: slrn/0.9.7.2 (Linux) Xref: uni-berlin.de news.admin.net-abuse.email:1698130 On Mon, 27 May 2002 11:46:35 +0100 Tim Gurney wrote in message : > Ok, > > To clarify the situation regarding the trolling on saturday from the Iarna > ip range. The person responsible was an employee called Mike Lovell. He USED > to handle the abuse emails until Keif and I took over. Why I'm not surprised?! You mean "to mis-handle", of course. Otherwise you wasn't being in SPEWS. > It appears he had a little to much free time on his hands on saturday. At > Iarna we use NAT for the internal office network, so all posts come from the > SAME ip. > > This person has been talked to by one of the directors and pointed out this > NOT acceptable. > > Please accept my apoligies for this pointless, childish and stupid trolling > by one of our members of staff, and be aware if any such thing happens again > SERIOUS action will be taken. > > Tim Gurney > Iarna Abuse Team. And he is still one of your members of staff?! So, what kind of stuff we (TANW) should expect from your network on the next Saturday: E-mail bomb, DoS attack? With such a staff on board, who needs spammers?.. Dolphin. -- URL: http://www.DolphinWave.org Mail: on the web page (no spam) ICQ: 6615461